Europäische Medienberichterstattung über Israel und linke Antizionisten fördern Antisemitismus in Europa. Diese These stellt ein Bericht des CBN auf. Die Al-Dura-Affäre, die Berichterstattung während der Kriege im Libanon 2006 und Gaza 2008/09 und die letzten Ritualmordbeschuldigungen eines schwedischen Journalisten scheinen diese These zu bestätigen.
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Es gibt keine „neuen Antisemitismus“!
Der Zionismus ist der Nazismus, und ich weiß, Sie wollen es nicht wahrhaben, weil das letzte, was ein deutscher genannt werden will ist ein Antisemit; ich verstehe. Aber lassen Sie sich nicht blind machen von der Realität!
DAS IST KEIN religiöser Konflikt. Dies ist nicht gegen das Judentum — das ist gegen die IDF und der israelischen Regierung! Warum denkst du, es gibt so viele Aufstände in Europa usw? Wissen Sie, was in Gaza passiert???
Der Zionismus ist die häufigste Ursache für den Antisemitismus. Ich kann Ihnen zwanzig Gründe, warum es den Nazismus.
Kennen Sie die IDF schlägt orthodoxen Juden?! Ich habe jüdische Freunde, verdammt! Wie erklären Sie sich antizionistische Juden? Sind sie „selbst-Hasser“ weil sie nicht einverstanden mit der israelischen Politik?
Zionismus nutzt Antisemitismus zu „shut people up“. Es ist eine stumme Drohung.
Zum Beispiel: gehen Sie auf youtube und Recherche „Gaza“ und „war crimes“.
Du bist nur das Lesen israelische Quellen. Ich war im Libanon 2006 und 2000 und ich kenne die Geschichte. Fragen Sie mich etwas, geh schon!
Sorry wenn das klingt zu aggressiv, aber Sie ignorieren israelischen Verbrechen und beleidigen mich und so viele andere.
(Ich versuche nicht zu sein bedeutet, biete ich Ihnen meine Perspektive. Ja?)
- Teny
hi teny
du widersprichst dich total. du behauptest es gäbe keinen neuen Antisemitismus, da der Zionismus der kontinuierlich und seit Jahrtausenden existierende Antisemitismus sei. Dies geht allerdings an der Forschungsdebatte über den „modernen Antisemitismus“ völlig vorbei und zeigt, dass du dich nur mangelhaft mit dem Thema auseinander gesetzt hast. Dies zeigt nun auch deine These, die geprägt ist nicht nur von klassischen antisemitischen Thesen (die Juden seien selbst an ihrer Situation schuld), sondern die tiefe linksradikale antizionistische Codes tragen (Israel=Zionismus ist der neue Antisemitismus/ Nationalsozialismus), die nur wenig über Realität aussagen, sondern mehr über dich selbst als Linke.
Ich war 2006 auch selbst in Nordisrael und habe die enormen Schäden gesehen, die die Hisbolla in zivilen Wohnvierteln angerichtet hat – und dies war ausschließlich – ich betone es – in zivilen Vierteln. Sagt dies allerdings etwas über meine Kenntnis der Libanesen als Kollektiv aus? Sagt es etwas darüber aus, wie verbrecherisch die Libanesen sind? Sie verallgemeinern zu sehr, als überhaupt verstehen zu wollen, in welcher Lage Israel und jeder einzelne Israeli sich befindet und wie das tagtägliche Leben in der Region geprägt ist. Sie verallgemeinern zudem die israelische Geschichte, indem sie von dem Zionismus reden, aber eben genau diesem Zionismus gab es nicht, sondern eher die Zionismen – verschiedenste Strömungen mit teils sehr konträren Anschauungen und Zielen (Beispiele hierfür sind der Kulturzionismus Ahad Haams und der politische Zionismus Herzls).
Anstatt in den Libanon zu reisen und für sich selbst belegen zu können, wie verbrecherisch die Israelis/Zionisten sind, um somit dein linkes Selbstverständnis als Antizionistin aufrecht zu erhalten, würde ich dir statt dessen empfehlen, dich ernsthaft mit Israel und dessen Geschichte auseinander zu setzen. In meinen Empfehlungen findest du wissenschaftliche Monographien zum Thema, die alle Aspekte, auch die, die du an Israel kritisierst, aufnimmt und wissenschaftlich untersucht und diskutiert. Einige dieser Literaturempfehlungen sind auch auf Englisch erschienen, sodass es auch mit der Sprache keine Probleme geben sollte.
No, YOU contradict yourself completely. You’re mixing terms together. When was I ever blaming Jews?
It’s funny you mention Hezboallah bombing civilian areas and fail to mention the IDF’s actions. Do you know that more bombs were dropped by Israel IN ONE DAY than Hezboallah dropped in the month long war?
Herzl was a racist and Hitler also supported Zionism. Don’t misconstrue the facts to fit your agenda.
No history can be understood without context. You’ve obviously spent way too much time reading AJC’s IKAR „Zionist Education“ and other websites — I suggest you take a good look at what the international community and Human Rights watch say. As a matter of fact, take a look at B’tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied territories too (http://www.btselem.org/English/). Are they anti-Zionists? What about the IDF soldiers speaking out against the government? What about the orthodox Jews and anti-Zionist Israelis protesting in Jerusalem and Bi’lin? How do you explain that?
You’re treating this crisis as if it’s a game or some removed and abstract theory. Doesn’t the footage affect you? How long will you continue support Israel, how many casualties on the Palestinian side does there need to be before you start to doubt them?
read my last comment to another comment of you. thanx
oops: gemein sein. lol, ich war Musik hören
Coward.
All you can give me is a thumbs-down because you can’t counter any of my points. Zionism is based on lies and hate. You’re an Islamophobe and you think defending Israel is going to erase your ancestor’s bloody past — well guess what, you’re aiding to the killing. You have nothing to say on your own, you just copy-paste from the Israeli Foreign Ministry and post a few videos but you have NOTHING intelligent to say on the topic because you are uninformed. Have you ever even been to the Middle East?
I don’t understand people like you who can ignore the other view — I know the Zionist argument inside and outside — but you IGNORE it. You don’t give it a chance — why? Because the truth is bitter, isn’t it? Because you don’t want to admit you’re wrong.
THIS IS NOT A GAME. Stop thinking that I’m you enemy. I’m not. This is about justice.
Fine — don’t believe me. It doesn’t matter. Do you know why? Because in several years time Israel will be held responsible — mark my words. All of you will have to swallow the shame. Shame on you.
Dear Teny,
first of all I just read your comment now and was approving so that people can follow the discussion on this topic. I am not sure however why you blame me to give you a thumb down while it can be anyone who may did it before me. About your thesis that I am not dealing with the palestinian/arab perspective of the conflict: I actually do involve the arab world as well in my articles (see e.g.: http://andersdenken20.de/2008/05/31/was-ist-politisch-inkorrekt/, http://andersdenken20.de/2009/02/01/der-andere-araber-in-der-israelischen-gesellschaft/, http://andersdenken20.de/2008/08/10/palastinensischer-nationaldicher-ist-tot/) but as i described on the blog my focus is on Israel and the Jewish world. As well I am not trying to scapegoat the arabs/palestinians as you do with the Israelis (i did see your blog and blog posts there – as well the literature you use – and allready your last comment speaks its own words). I am not wondering that you are commenting in such an agressive way. I do know that Antisemitism and Antizionism is based on personal crisis of the Antisemite/ Antizionist himself that he is projecting on Jews/ Israel (read e.g. Gavin I. Langmuir, Toward a Definition of Antisemitism, 1990). This is really nothing new. The question is if this kind of Phenomenon can be stopped – and I am very pessimistic about it coz somehow people like you need Antisemitism/ Anti-zionism in order to keep your own left wing identity (Shulamit Volkov, Antisemitism as a cultural Code, in: Leo Baeck Institute Yearbook, 1978, online: http://leobaeck.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/23/1/25.pdf (5.11.2009); Shulamit Volkov, Antisemitismus als kultureller Code, 2000.) and collective identities are hardly to break rationaly.
It’s not scapegoating if you look at Israel’s record. That’s like calling me an antisemite to shut me up. Those labels don’t work anymore — wach auf!
as long as you are argumenting with antisemitic arguments i am free to call you an antisemite.
Fine, call me whatever you want. It doesn’t change what Israel is doing and the crisis isn’t about „me“ anyway.
You haven’t addressed any of my points at all.
Wilhelm Marr, the so called founder of antisemitism in 1879 wrote in his antisemitic book „Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum“:
A bit earlier he states:
In another place he goes into details and describes the hidden secret about the Jews:
What you see are three examples of three aspects of antisemitism:
1.) antisemits try to prove that they are friendly with jews and have totally nothing against them. Most of the time this happens by quoting Jews who have similar point of views as the antisemite.
2.)antisemits try to prove a hidden reality that is silenced by the judaized society – or as antizionists would say – is silenced by zionists and the israel lobby that is networked all over the world (an example: critizising Israel results in the israeli reply that the critic is antisemitic / critizising Israel is forbidden).
3.) as allready mentioned antisemits think that the society is heavily influenced by jews (israel/zionists/israel lobby) and/ or that jews (israel/ zionists/ israel lobby) rule the world.
the most important point however is that antisemits hardly can prove these points.
All those points can be seen in your argumentation:
The big question is: can you prove your „facts“ scientifically?
Zionism is CAUSING antisemitism. People who can’t differentiate between Jews and Zionists are attacking Jews all over Europe for what „they“ are doing in Gaza. How do you explain anti-Zionist Jews? You haven’t answered that. You don’t think that Jews have enough moral consciousness and individualism to disagree with Israeli policy without being „self-hating Jews“? You’re the antisemite.
how zionism can cause antisemitism when modern antisemitism appeard 1879/1880 for the first time and political Zionism however much later in the 1890s? As well how can it be that you need (anti-Zionist) jews to prove your own point of view? Isn’t that antisemitism at its best? Between anti-Zionism in Judaism appeared for the first time in 19th century and is very much related to self hating Jews. While anti-Zionism is based on the orthodox believe that just the messiah can create the future state of Israel and that Zionism violated this religious believe in 1948, the term „self hating jews“ is a battle term of zionists and nationalist jews (as far as i know) who believe(d) that Jews are not just members of a religious community but as well a nation. Those jews who didnt believed in that idea and as well assimilated and converted to Christianity (this was mainly the case in western europe) were therefore called „self hating jews“ because they were blind (from the jewish nationalist point of view) toward the zionist/nationalist concept of a jewish nation.
I don’t consider myself left-wing and if you’re talking about me mentioning Noam Chomsky it’s because I wasn’t agreeing with several of his views. So… thanks for lumping me in.
I’m aggressive because I’m frustrated with AIPAC and the Israeli lobby & angry at the U.S. for sending $3 billion worth of „aid“ to Israel every year so that they can continue their oppression and occupation of Palestinian land. This isn’t „personal“ or „emotional“, it’s history repeating itself.
Let’s get one thing straight — I don’t identify myself with anything. I’m not nationalistic, and when I show the Armenian or Palestinian or Lebanese flag I’m doing so because these countries have been bombarded and raped. I don’t consider myself anything but a humanitarian. Justice doesn’t make any exceptions for Israel.
You’re pessimistic? I’m cynical!
Israel is a country club, for chrissake. A trip to wealthy Israel is nothing but a touristic veneer. If you’ve seen what I’ve seen, violence isn’t a „theory“. We are all Palestinians. Please, for God’s sake, be open-minded to at least ENTERTAINING my view.
Or maybe it’s useless to try to convince you; I don’t know. At least you haven’t erased my comments, you’re better than most people (who would) so thanks for that.
speaking about Lebanon and entertainement: I found some videos on youtube that prooves that the situation in Lebanon isnt that bad as you describe. I as well have my valuable sources that describe similar scenes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALnim9m0iNQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-coLu59SeVU
So what? You’re showing a Beirut nightclub of this year. (1) It’s not like we haven’t been rebuilding and (2) there’s a large gap between the very poor and very wealthy. What, are you going to tell me that hundreds of Lebanese civilians were killed along with infrastructure, roads, and the airport?
You should be focusing on Gaza, a strip of land with 1.5 million Palestinians crammed into a mass ghetto as Israel tries out its white phosphorus rockets. Tell me, when has violence ever created peace? What makes you think Israel wants peace other than the lip service given by Netanyahu and Regev?
i am showing that things aren’t that bad as you wana tell people here. And about the airport: during the lebanon war 2006 a friend of mine was flying to beirut and was landing on the from the media labeled „destroyed“ airport or „destroyed beirut“. I wasnt surpriced that after returning she informed me that things are quite looking good and not much is destroyed. Another journalist who himself was in Beirut as well informed me that there was a hisbollah neighborhood outside beirut that was destroyed while most of Beirut itself was not harmed by any bomb. And reminding you about the number of casualties in the lebanon war 2006, it is until today unclear how many civilians were killed. Even the media had a tough job to decide weather 23, 400, 600 or 1200 civilians were killed. As well the lebanese government doesnt defer between civilians and armed men. So it is still a big question until today until historians will research this war and documents will be accessible in archives in israel, united nations, red cross and lebanon.
And not that it really matters, but don’t lie. You gave me a thumbs-down the minute you approved my comment; I seriously doubt you have 13 year old girls stalking you and refreshing your blog page to rate the newest comments within a 3-minute time span.
I’m trying to help you, that’s what you don’t realize. I’m not your enemy, I’m saying the truth.
Are these antisemites? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo&feature=related
You make your argument „unwinnable“ by accusing me every time I try to make a point. You deleted three of my posts and won’t answer me about Gaza.
again jews/ israeli soldiers who need to prove your thesis? you again and again fall in the same antisemitic trap and don’t realize it…
Hahaha what are we, Positivists? Now you’re going for the philosophical argument; great. In that case there „are no truths“, right?
Get serious. The international community along with every major human rights organization, along with IDF soldiers testifying and Jewish anti-Zionists AND orthodox Jews protesting, you still can’t make a distinction. YOU are generalizing, hello.